Friday, November 29, 2024

OrangeHoops Hall of Fame 2024

In 2007, OrangeHoops inducted its charter class into the OrangeHoops Hall of Fame: Dave Bing, Derrick Coleman, Sherman Douglas, Vic Hanson, and Pearl Washington. The next several years saw the addition of Billy Owens (2008), Billy Gabor (2009), Lawrence Moten (2010), Louis Orr (2011), Roosevelt Bouie (2011)  John Wallace (2012),  Rony Seikaly (2013), Vinnie Cohen (2014), Etan Thomas (2015), Joe Schwarzer (2016), Lew Andreas (2017), Carmelo Anthony (2018), Stephen Thompson (2019), Hakim Warrick (2020), Gerry McNamara (2021), and Rudy Hackett (2022).  So the list now stands at 22. Another year has passed, and now it is time for the 2024 inductee.

I established my rules for the OrangeHoops Hall of Fame back in 2007 and you can catch up on them here. 2024 does have eight new eligible candidates (using the fifteen year rule):  Eric Devendorf, Kevin Drew, Jonny Flynn, Paul Harris, Kristof Ongenaet, Jake Presutti, Justin Thomas, and Sean  Williams.

Eric Devendorf was a fiery trash talking guard who could aggressively take the ball to the hoop or pull up for a three pointer. Devo was a four year starter who ended up with 1,680 career points.

Kevin Drew was a walk on guard his freshman year; he never played in a game.  He was a star lacrosse player for four seasons earning Big East First Team honors his senior year.

Jonny Flynn was a speedy point guard who led the Orange offense for two seasons.  Flynn was a McDonalds High School All-American.  He would play in the NBA for three seasons.
 
Paul Harris was an explosive muscular forward who was terrific on the offensive boards.  He would play for the Orange for three seasons.

Kris Ongenaet was a defensive minded forward for the Orange for two seasons. He was a solid rebounder known for his hustling play, and was decent passing the ball.

Jake Presutti was a walk-on guard for four seasons.   He would play 30 games and score 11 points.

Justin Thomas was a walk-on guard for three seasons. He would play 23 games and score 12 points.  Thomas memorably played in the last overtime period of the six overtime win against UConn, as Syracuse had no scholarship players remaining due to fouls.

Sean Williams was a lanky 6'11" center who came to Syracuse as a "project". He played in 16 games in two seasons before transferring.


Flynn and Devendorf would both crack my list of top 10 candidates.

I think this year’s viable top 10 candidates come down to the following, listed chronologically: Lew Castle, Dennis DuVal, Jimmy Lee, Danny Schayes, Leo Rautins, Dave Johnson, Jason Hart, Preston Shumpert, Eric Devendorf, and Jonny Flynn.

Castle was a two time All-American at Syracuse, and was captain and leading scorer of Syracuse’s only undefeated team, the 1913-1914 squad that went 12-0.

DuVal was a flashy point guard for Syracuse in the early 70s.  When he graduated from Syracuse he was only second to Dave Bing in career points scored.  He was a three year started and averaged 18.6 ppg.  DuVal was a third team All-American his senior year

Lee was a clutch shooter with terrific perimeter range, and outstanding free throw shooting ability. He was able to use his shooting ability to set himself up as a solid passer. Lee's 18 foot jumper with five seconds remaining led the Orangemen to beat heavily favored North Carolina, as the Orangemen eventually moved on to their first NCAA Final Four. Lee would end up making the All-Tournament team for his outstanding performances.

Schayes was a skilled center with a good shooting touch, and solid overall basketball skills. He unfortunately sat behind the legendary Roosevelt Bouie his first three seasons, but he led the Orange his senior year in scoring and rebounding, earning an All Big East First Team selection.  

Rautins was a terrific ball-handling forward with a nice shooting touch, solid rebounding and scoring skills. He is most well-known for his game winning tip in basket to win the Big East Championship in triple overtime against Villanova in 1981.  Rautins also recorded two triple-doubles in Big East action.

Johnson was a 6'5" swingman during the heights of Syracuse's program.  He was a defensive replacement his freshman and sophomore year, and would development into one of the Orange's primary offensive threats his junior and senior year. Johnson would earn All Big East First Team his senior year.

Hart was a speedy defensive point guard, and a four year starter.  He was a decent ball handler, and finished his career as the number two assist man all time at Syracuse. He was much better on the defensive end, and would finish as SU's all-time leader in steals.  Hart would have a 9 year career in the NBA, mostly as a backup guard.

Shumpert was one of the best three point shooters in Syracuse history, with terrific range.  He was a streaky shooter and carried the Orangemen to many victories, seven times in his career scoring 30+ points in a game.  He would be named to the Big East First Team both his junior and senior seasons, averaging 20.7 points per game his senior year.  He was not a strong defensive player, and there were questions about his temperament, particularly related to issues with DeShaun Williams.  Shumpert is currently the 8th all time leading scorer at SU.

All are worthy players, and tough selections to make.  I designed my selection rules to make it tough; the Hall of Fame should be the 'best of the best', and I would rather have a line of worthy players outside the Hall of Fame, than cheapen it by having lessor players included.

Ten very good candidates, and a couple of those players are among my all-time personal favorites.  The 2024 inductee is Jonny Flynn.

Flynn was a speedy guard with a great ability to drive to the basket as well as pull up for a three pointer.  He was a terrific passer and came to Syracuse heralded as a McDonald's All American.

Flynn would win the Big East Rookie of the Year his freshman season, and earned Big East 2nd Team honors his sophomore year.

He would score a career high 35 points in a loss to Providence.  Flynn was pivotal in the memorable six overtime win against UConn with a game high 34 points.  He played 67 of the game's 70 minutes, shot 16-16 from the free throw line, had 11 assists and 6 steals.

Flynn would finish his Syracuse career with 1,211 points on 16.6 ppg, along with 439 assists at 6.0 apg.  

Flynn was the #6 overall pick in the 2009 NBA draft selected by the Minnesota Timberwolves.  He averaged 13.5 ppg his rookie season before injuries sidelined him. He would play 3 seasons in the NBA before playing internationally in Australia and Italy.






Sunday, November 24, 2024

Father & Sons

Syracuse men’s basketball had big news when Kiyan Anthony announced his commitment to the Orange. There have been ten father/son duos in Syracuse basketball history, and Kiyan and his father Carmelo will take that list to eleven.

Alphabetically, here is the list:

Red & Adrian Autry Jr

Red was the starting point guard for the Orangemen for four seasons, with 1538 career points (12.7 ppg) and 631 assists.  He was All Big East First Team his senior year.  His son Adrian Jr was a walk-on for four seasons with 10 points and 1 assist.

Ribs & Reeves Baysinger Jr

Ribs was a football star who also played basketball as a guard his sophomore year. He started six games and scored 6 points.  His son Reaves Jr was also an excellent football player who was a reserve on the basketball team for 2 games his sophomore year, failing to score.

Jim & Buddy Boeheim

Jim was a guard for three seasons, scoring 745 points with 177 rebounds, and averaging 14.6 ppg his senior year. His younger son Buddy was a star shooting guard with a terrific three point shot. He scored 1765 points with 309 three point baskets and a career 14.6 ppg.  Buddy was ACC First Team his senior year.

Jim & Jimmy Boeheim

Jim was a guard for three seasons, scoring 745 points with 177 rebounds, and averaging 14.6 ppg his senior year. His older son Jimmy was a forward for one season scoring 453 points with 204 rebounds, with a 13.7 ppg.

Vinnie & Vinnie Cohen Jr

Vinnie was the star forward for the Orangemen in the mid 50s, scoring 1337 points.  He averaged 19.7 ppg for his career, and 24.2 ppg his senior year. His son Vinnie Jr was a walk-on for two seasons with a total of 6 points.

Bill & Kevin Drew

Bill was a reserve swingman for two seasons scoring 5 ppg with a total of 190.  His son Kevin was a star lacrosse player who was a reserve walk-on for one season, failing to score.

Steve & Stephen Keating

Steve was a walk-on guard scoring 2 points in two seasons, while his son Stephen was a walk-on for one season, failing to score.

Billy & Chaz Owens

Billy was a versatile forward for the Orange who scored 1840 points in three seasons with 381 assists and 910 rebounds.  He averaged 17.9 ppg for his career, and 23.2 ppg his junior year.   Bily was Big East First team his sophomore and junior seasons, and Big East Player of the Year his last year.  Chaz is currently a walk-on forward for the Orange with 4 career points.

Leo & Andy Rautins

Leo was a terrific passing forward for three seasons with 1031 career points, 535 rebounds, and 423 assists.  He averaged 12.1 ppg with 5.0 apg and 6.3 rpg. He was Big East Third Team his senior year.   He son Andy was a terrific shooting guard for four seasons with 1121 career points, 327 rebounds, and 347 assists.  He had 282 career three pointers. He earned Big East Second Team his senior year.

Dick & Bill Suprunowicz

Dick was a defensive standout at guard and forward from 1949-1951.  He scored 526 points with a 6.7 ppg. His son Bill was a reserve guard for three seasons scoring 30 points with a 1.5 ppg average.

 

If I were to rank the duos, it would go as follows:

  • 1.      Leo & Andy Rautins
  • 2.      Jim & Buddy Boeheim
  • 3.      Jim & Jimmy Boeheim
  • 4.      Billy & Chaz Owens
  • 5.      Vinnie & Vinnie Cohen Jr
  • 6.      Dick & Bill Suprunowicz
  • 7.      Red & Adrian Autry Jr
  • 8.      Bill & Kevin Drew
  • 9.      Ribs & Reeves Baysinger Jr
  • 10.   Steve & Stephen Keating

It will be interesting to see where the Anthony’s end up on this list.  Kiyan will not need to accomplish much to move them to fourth, and a solid season easily moves them to third. 

Monday, January 01, 2024

NET Ranking Black Magic

There are several elements to the NET ranking.  The Quad element is supposed to be a heavily weighted portion, but the current results for Syracuse are baffling.

Here are the Orange's NET ranking compared to two teams they have beaten, and a third team. The data is their record for each quadrant, as of 12-31-2023.

Syracuse #78 rank  0-2 Q1, 2-1 Q2, 6-0 Q3, and 1-0 Q4
Pittsburgh  #41 rank  0-2 Q1, 0-1 Q2, 4-1 Q3, and 5-0 Q4
Oregon  #71 rank 0-1 Q1, 0-1 Q2, 6-1 Q3, and 4-0 Q4
SMU  #45 rank 0-3 Q1, 0-1 Q2, 2-0 Q3, 6-0 Q4

In theory Q1 losses don't hurt you, and Q4 wins don't help.  Meanwhile Q1 wins are huge, and Q4 losses hurt.

None of these teams have Q1 wins.  Syracuse has played only one Q4 game, as opposed to the 5, 4, and 6 of the other teams. Pitt and Oregon both have a Q3 loss (bad); Syracuse has not bad losses. 

Syracuse is 2-3 in Q1&Q2 games. Pitt is 0-3, Oregon 0-2, and SMU 0-4.

Syracuse is 7-0 in Q3&Q4.  Pitt is 9-1, Oregon 10-1, SMU 8-0.

Someone countered with me the other day that the large margin of victories for the other teams must be coming into play.  But the NCAA said in 2018 they cap margin of victory at 10 points, so that should have no impact on the Orange.

Here's the Orange margin of victory so far this season after 12 games (Chaminade doesn't count for the NET).

Point margin: +11, +12, +4, -17, -19, +23, -22, +11, +12, +20, +12, +8

All of the Orange wins except for Colgate and Pitt hit the cap.  Hard to believe the opposition is doing more.

I know they take computer modeling into play, but that's all secretive, but also supposed to be a smaller portion of the ranking.  The black box magic going on is baffling.  Perhaps small sample sizes are coming into play, but we are over a third of the way through the schedule.

The Orange have more quality wins, no bad losses, a tougher schedule, better overall record, and are capping the point spread margin, yet are lower ranked, significantly in 2 cases, than Pitt, Oregon, and SMU.